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      <title>Kent Beck</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;Kent Beck, creator of Extreme Programming and test-driven development, publishes his current thinking on software design and AI-era practice on the Software Design: Tidy First? newsletter.&#xA;Facts below verified as of 2026-09-24.&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;He is the most credible methodology voice on which parts of classic software craft survive when agents write the code, and his boundary is process and economics: he tells you how to work, not which tool or model to buy.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&#xA;&lt;h2 class=&#34;relative group&#34;&gt;What it is&#xA;    &lt;div id=&#34;what-it-is&#34; class=&#34;anchor&#34;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;    &lt;span&#xA;        class=&#34;absolute top-0 w-6 transition-opacity opacity-0 -start-6 not-prose group-hover:opacity-100 select-none&#34;&gt;&#xA;        &lt;a class=&#34;text-primary-300 dark:text-neutral-700 !no-underline&#34; href=&#34;#what-it-is&#34; aria-label=&#34;Anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&#xA;    &lt;/span&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;A weekly newsletter (over 126,000 subscribers as of 2026-09-24) backed by a forty-year methodology portfolio: Extreme Programming Explained, Test-Driven Development by Example, Implementation Patterns, the 2023 book Tidy First?, and co-creating JUnit with Erich Gamma.&#xA;His AI arc runs from the April 2023 essay &amp;ldquo;90% of My Skills Are Now Worth $0&amp;rdquo; (the repricing thesis: &amp;ldquo;the value of 90% of my skills just dropped to $0. The leverage for the remaining 10% went up 1000x&amp;rdquo;) to June 2025&amp;rsquo;s &amp;ldquo;Augmented Coding: Beyond the Vibes&amp;rdquo;, which separates augmented coding, where you still care about code, tests, and design, from vibe coding, where you only care about behavior.&#xA;He grounds that distinction in a real project, a B+ tree library in Rust and Python built with agents over about four weeks, with his full system prompt and intervention habits published in the post.&#xA;Around the newsletter sit consulting, speaking (topics like &amp;ldquo;Beyond Vibes: What Augmented Coding Actually Requires&amp;rdquo;), a Still Burning podcast, and Tidy Together, the in-progress third book of his Empirical Software Design series.&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&#xA;&lt;h2 class=&#34;relative group&#34;&gt;Status&#xA;    &lt;div id=&#34;status&#34; class=&#34;anchor&#34;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;    &lt;span&#xA;        class=&#34;absolute top-0 w-6 transition-opacity opacity-0 -start-6 not-prose group-hover:opacity-100 select-none&#34;&gt;&#xA;        &lt;a class=&#34;text-primary-300 dark:text-neutral-700 !no-underline&#34; href=&#34;#status&#34; aria-label=&#34;Anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&#xA;    &lt;/span&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;Active, and newly central to the process debate.&#xA;Cadence is weekly per his own site, and the newsletter&amp;rsquo;s top-posts archive shows entries dated December 12 2025 and January 16, April 16, and May 15 (Substack omits the year on current-year posts, so those are 2026).&#xA;He is independent: Wikipedia records his Facebook years (2011-2019) and a 2019 software fellow role at Gusto, but kentbeck.com now presents him as consultant, writer, artist, and speaker, with draft chapters of Tidy Together going to paid subscribers.&#xA;The AI-era posts themselves drew modest Hacker News traction (his own submission of the augmented-coding essay sat at 5 points as of 2026-09-24), yet the framing keeps resurfacing in threads asking whether XP should be revisited for the agent era, which is the slower, stickier kind of influence.&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&#xA;&lt;h2 class=&#34;relative group&#34;&gt;Strengths&#xA;    &lt;div id=&#34;strengths&#34; class=&#34;anchor&#34;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;    &lt;span&#xA;        class=&#34;absolute top-0 w-6 transition-opacity opacity-0 -start-6 not-prose group-hover:opacity-100 select-none&#34;&gt;&#xA;        &lt;a class=&#34;text-primary-300 dark:text-neutral-700 !no-underline&#34; href=&#34;#strengths&#34; aria-label=&#34;Anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&#xA;    &lt;/span&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;ul&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;Authority with receipts: the person who defined TDD and XP re-deriving his own methodology for agents carries weight no commentator can match.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;He experiments on real code and shows his work: the B+ tree build came with the system prompt, the time logs, and a candid verdict, correct and fast but with more accidental complexity than he likes.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;He names the distinctions the industry now argues with: augmented versus vibe coding, and the three warning signs of an agent going off track (loops, unrequested features, cheating on tests).&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;The economics essays give leaders a decision frame instead of a prediction: Programming Deflation&amp;rsquo;s substitution-versus-Jevons pairing ends with capabilities to build that pay off under either future.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;Short, quotable essays, one idea each, with no tool churn to wade through.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;/ul&gt;&#xA;&#xA;&lt;h2 class=&#34;relative group&#34;&gt;Cautions&#xA;    &lt;div id=&#34;cautions&#34; class=&#34;anchor&#34;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;    &lt;span&#xA;        class=&#34;absolute top-0 w-6 transition-opacity opacity-0 -start-6 not-prose group-hover:opacity-100 select-none&#34;&gt;&#xA;        &lt;a class=&#34;text-primary-300 dark:text-neutral-700 !no-underline&#34; href=&#34;#cautions&#34; aria-label=&#34;Anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&#xA;    &lt;/span&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;ul&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;This is a process feed, not a tracking feed: expect near zero coverage of specific tools, models, and prices, so pair it with a practitioner blog for that layer.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;His evidence is personal and he says so: &amp;ldquo;I&amp;rsquo;m extrapolating wildly from a couple of experiences, which is what I do.&amp;rdquo;&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;Even his own commenters push back on the emotional cost: one writes that LLM-generated code &amp;ldquo;feels to me like having no soul&amp;rdquo;, a tension he does not resolve.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;The best material (draft book chapters, weekly Thinkies) sits behind the paid tier.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;/ul&gt;&#xA;&#xA;&lt;h2 class=&#34;relative group&#34;&gt;Compared to&#xA;    &lt;div id=&#34;compared-to&#34; class=&#34;anchor&#34;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;    &lt;span&#xA;        class=&#34;absolute top-0 w-6 transition-opacity opacity-0 -start-6 not-prose group-hover:opacity-100 select-none&#34;&gt;&#xA;        &lt;a class=&#34;text-primary-300 dark:text-neutral-700 !no-underline&#34; href=&#34;#compared-to&#34; aria-label=&#34;Anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&#xA;    &lt;/span&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;ul&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tomrochette.com/agents/people-and-publications/simon-willison/&#34; &gt;Simon Willison&lt;/a&gt;: the daily tool-level chronicler versus Beck&amp;rsquo;s weekly process level; use Willison to learn what changed this week, Beck to decide what it means for how your team works.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tomrochette.com/agents/people-and-publications/andrej-karpathy/&#34; &gt;Andrej Karpathy&lt;/a&gt;: the model-and-training-level view, and the coiner of the &amp;ldquo;vibe coding&amp;rdquo; term Beck argues against, versus Beck&amp;rsquo;s working discipline of tests and tidiness under agents.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tomrochette.com/agents/people-and-publications/steve-yegge/&#34; &gt;Steve Yegge&lt;/a&gt;: manifesto-scale provocations versus small falsifiable essays; read Yegge for the argument, Beck for the practice.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;/ul&gt;&#xA;&#xA;&lt;h2 class=&#34;relative group&#34;&gt;Bottom line&#xA;    &lt;div id=&#34;bottom-line&#34; class=&#34;anchor&#34;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;    &lt;span&#xA;        class=&#34;absolute top-0 w-6 transition-opacity opacity-0 -start-6 not-prose group-hover:opacity-100 select-none&#34;&gt;&#xA;        &lt;a class=&#34;text-primary-300 dark:text-neutral-700 !no-underline&#34; href=&#34;#bottom-line&#34; aria-label=&#34;Anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&#xA;    &lt;/span&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;Recommended for senior engineers and leads who need to rework team process, review habits, and design discipline for agent-heavy development.&#xA;Not for readers who want tool comparisons, model benchmarks, or news.&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&#xA;&lt;h2 class=&#34;relative group&#34;&gt;Top 5 recommended reading&#xA;    &lt;div id=&#34;top-5-recommended-reading&#34; class=&#34;anchor&#34;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;    &lt;span&#xA;        class=&#34;absolute top-0 w-6 transition-opacity opacity-0 -start-6 not-prose group-hover:opacity-100 select-none&#34;&gt;&#xA;        &lt;a class=&#34;text-primary-300 dark:text-neutral-700 !no-underline&#34; href=&#34;#top-5-recommended-reading&#34; aria-label=&#34;Anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&#xA;    &lt;/span&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;ul&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/p/augmented-coding-beyond-the-vibes&#34;  target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;noreferrer&#34;&gt;&lt;img class=&#34;external-link-favicon&#34; src=&#34;https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=tidyfirst.substack.com&amp;sz=128&#34; alt=&#34;&#34; width=&#34;16&#34; height=&#34;16&#34; loading=&#34;lazy&#34;&gt;Augmented Coding: Beyond the Vibes&lt;/a&gt; - the essay that defines the discipline, with the full system prompt and his three warning signs that an agent is going off track.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/p/90-of-my-skills-are-now-worth-0&#34;  target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;noreferrer&#34;&gt;&lt;img class=&#34;external-link-favicon&#34; src=&#34;https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=tidyfirst.substack.com&amp;sz=128&#34; alt=&#34;&#34; width=&#34;16&#34; height=&#34;16&#34; loading=&#34;lazy&#34;&gt;90% of My Skills Are Now Worth $0&lt;/a&gt; - the April 2023 repricing thesis that started his AI arc, including his own admission that he was extrapolating wildly.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/p/programming-deflation&#34;  target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;noreferrer&#34;&gt;&lt;img class=&#34;external-link-favicon&#34; src=&#34;https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=tidyfirst.substack.com&amp;sz=128&#34; alt=&#34;&#34; width=&#34;16&#34; height=&#34;16&#34; loading=&#34;lazy&#34;&gt;Programming Deflation&lt;/a&gt; - substitution versus Jevons paradox applied to software, ending in skills that hold up whether employment shrinks or grows.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/p/canon-tdd&#34;  target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;noreferrer&#34;&gt;&lt;img class=&#34;external-link-favicon&#34; src=&#34;https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=tidyfirst.substack.com&amp;sz=128&#34; alt=&#34;&#34; width=&#34;16&#34; height=&#34;16&#34; loading=&#34;lazy&#34;&gt;Canon TDD&lt;/a&gt; - the five steps of TDD from the person who named it, written to stop strawman critiques and now the foundation agents are being pointed at.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://www.kentbeck.com/&#34;  target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;noreferrer&#34;&gt;&lt;img class=&#34;external-link-favicon&#34; src=&#34;https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=www.kentbeck.com&amp;sz=128&#34; alt=&#34;&#34; width=&#34;16&#34; height=&#34;16&#34; loading=&#34;lazy&#34;&gt;Tidy First? and the Empirical Software Design series&lt;/a&gt; - his own summary of the book series and the design-as-optionality economics behind his augmented-coding principles.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;/ul&gt;&#xA;&#xA;&lt;h2 class=&#34;relative group&#34;&gt;Changes&#xA;    &lt;div id=&#34;changes&#34; class=&#34;anchor&#34;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;    &lt;span&#xA;        class=&#34;absolute top-0 w-6 transition-opacity opacity-0 -start-6 not-prose group-hover:opacity-100 select-none&#34;&gt;&#xA;        &lt;a class=&#34;text-primary-300 dark:text-neutral-700 !no-underline&#34; href=&#34;#changes&#34; aria-label=&#34;Anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&#xA;    &lt;/span&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;ul&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;2026-09-24 - Created.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;/ul&gt;&#xA;&#xA;&lt;h2 class=&#34;relative group&#34;&gt;See also&#xA;    &lt;div id=&#34;see-also&#34; class=&#34;anchor&#34;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;    &lt;span&#xA;        class=&#34;absolute top-0 w-6 transition-opacity opacity-0 -start-6 not-prose group-hover:opacity-100 select-none&#34;&gt;&#xA;        &lt;a class=&#34;text-primary-300 dark:text-neutral-700 !no-underline&#34; href=&#34;#see-also&#34; aria-label=&#34;Anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&#xA;    &lt;/span&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;ul&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tomrochette.com/agents/people-and-publications/simon-willison/&#34; &gt;Simon Willison&lt;/a&gt; - the daily counterpart feed: what tools and models did this week.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tomrochette.com/agents/people-and-publications/andrej-karpathy/&#34; &gt;Andrej Karpathy&lt;/a&gt; - where the &amp;ldquo;vibe coding&amp;rdquo; framing Beck argues against came from.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tomrochette.com/agents/people-and-publications/steve-yegge/&#34; &gt;Steve Yegge&lt;/a&gt; - the other veteran rethinking the profession, louder and less systematic.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tomrochette.com/agents/spec-driven-development/spec-kit/&#34; &gt;GitHub Spec Kit&lt;/a&gt; - spec-first tooling that mechanizes the planning discipline Beck does by hand with plan.md.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tomrochette.com/agents/agentic-coding-tools-landscape/&#34; &gt;Agentic Coding Tools Landscape&lt;/a&gt; - the tooling his essays deliberately abstract away.&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;/ul&gt;&#xA;&#xA;&lt;h2 class=&#34;relative group&#34;&gt;References&#xA;    &lt;div id=&#34;references&#34; class=&#34;anchor&#34;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;    &lt;span&#xA;        class=&#34;absolute top-0 w-6 transition-opacity opacity-0 -start-6 not-prose group-hover:opacity-100 select-none&#34;&gt;&#xA;        &lt;a class=&#34;text-primary-300 dark:text-neutral-700 !no-underline&#34; href=&#34;#references&#34; aria-label=&#34;Anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&#xA;    &lt;/span&gt;&#xA;    &#xA;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;ul&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/p/augmented-coding-beyond-the-vibes&#34;  target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;noreferrer&#34;&gt;&lt;img class=&#34;external-link-favicon&#34; src=&#34;https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=tidyfirst.substack.com&amp;sz=128&#34; alt=&#34;&#34; width=&#34;16&#34; height=&#34;16&#34; loading=&#34;lazy&#34;&gt;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/p/augmented-coding-beyond-the-vibes&lt;/a&gt; - the augmented versus vibe coding essay, the B+ tree case study, and the published system prompt&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/p/90-of-my-skills-are-now-worth-0&#34;  target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;noreferrer&#34;&gt;&lt;img class=&#34;external-link-favicon&#34; src=&#34;https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=tidyfirst.substack.com&amp;sz=128&#34; alt=&#34;&#34; width=&#34;16&#34; height=&#34;16&#34; loading=&#34;lazy&#34;&gt;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/p/90-of-my-skills-are-now-worth-0&lt;/a&gt; - the 2023 repricing thesis and the 3X Explore/Expand/Extract framing&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/p/programming-deflation&#34;  target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;noreferrer&#34;&gt;&lt;img class=&#34;external-link-favicon&#34; src=&#34;https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=tidyfirst.substack.com&amp;sz=128&#34; alt=&#34;&#34; width=&#34;16&#34; height=&#34;16&#34; loading=&#34;lazy&#34;&gt;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/p/programming-deflation&lt;/a&gt; - the substitution versus Jevons economics essay (2025-09-15)&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/p/canon-tdd&#34;  target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;noreferrer&#34;&gt;&lt;img class=&#34;external-link-favicon&#34; src=&#34;https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=tidyfirst.substack.com&amp;sz=128&#34; alt=&#34;&#34; width=&#34;16&#34; height=&#34;16&#34; loading=&#34;lazy&#34;&gt;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/p/canon-tdd&lt;/a&gt; - his definitive TDD workflow essay (2023-12-11)&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/&#34;  target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;noreferrer&#34;&gt;&lt;img class=&#34;external-link-favicon&#34; src=&#34;https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=tidyfirst.substack.com&amp;sz=128&#34; alt=&#34;&#34; width=&#34;16&#34; height=&#34;16&#34; loading=&#34;lazy&#34;&gt;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/&lt;/a&gt; - the newsletter home: over 126,000 subscribers as of 2026-09-24&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/archive?sort=top&#34;  target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;noreferrer&#34;&gt;&lt;img class=&#34;external-link-favicon&#34; src=&#34;https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=tidyfirst.substack.com&amp;sz=128&#34; alt=&#34;&#34; width=&#34;16&#34; height=&#34;16&#34; loading=&#34;lazy&#34;&gt;https://tidyfirst.substack.com/archive?sort=top&lt;/a&gt; - posting cadence evidence with dated entries into 2026&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://www.kentbeck.com/&#34;  target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;noreferrer&#34;&gt;&lt;img class=&#34;external-link-favicon&#34; src=&#34;https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=www.kentbeck.com&amp;sz=128&#34; alt=&#34;&#34; width=&#34;16&#34; height=&#34;16&#34; loading=&#34;lazy&#34;&gt;https://www.kentbeck.com/&lt;/a&gt; - current projects (Tidy Together, augmented-coding research and speaking), subscriber and open-rate figures, consulting and podcast&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Beck&#34;  target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;noreferrer&#34;&gt;&lt;img class=&#34;external-link-favicon&#34; src=&#34;https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=en.wikipedia.org&amp;sz=128&#34; alt=&#34;&#34; width=&#34;16&#34; height=&#34;16&#34; loading=&#34;lazy&#34;&gt;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Beck&lt;/a&gt; - the methodology record: XP, TDD, JUnit, the Agile Manifesto, Facebook and Gusto years, book list&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#34;https://hn.algolia.com/api/v1/search?query=%22augmented%20coding%22%20kent%20beck&amp;amp;hitsPerPage=8&#34;  target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;noreferrer&#34;&gt;&lt;img class=&#34;external-link-favicon&#34; src=&#34;https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=hn.algolia.com&amp;sz=128&#34; alt=&#34;&#34; width=&#34;16&#34; height=&#34;16&#34; loading=&#34;lazy&#34;&gt;https://hn.algolia.com/api/v1/search?query=%22augmented%20coding%22%20kent%20beck&amp;hitsPerPage=8&lt;/a&gt; - third-party HN evidence, including his own submission at 5 points and citations in XP-revision threads (as of 2026-09-24)&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;/ul&gt;&#xA;</description>
      
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